thanks Will Monte , i will look up the acronym soup you provided for the ones i dont know.   im pretty sure my thing is set to the hilt, because its a managed image, that i have the ability to disable, and just tweak everything on the server, but i will look.  ...    thank you.  and yeah, never never never open relays.  i know for sure i am not doing that.    text copied and pasted for later research.  thanks again :)